Pre-All Star Jibba Jabba Rule Change Talk

[New York Yankees]

I’d like clarification of this rule. The way Minny presented it was if u didn’t have a MLB player going back, u could NOT include current year cash to the other team. I thought the “intent” of the rule was to just avoid selling players AND their contract to other teams, like 1 year rentals, so the acquiring team could circumvent the cap! If we keep the hard interpretation of the rule, then this would prevent buying top prospects or picks 4 current year cash. I don’t think that was the intent of the rule change. I’d like the restriction to only apply to traded players AND returning more than 50% of their salary. Otherwise, there should b NO restriction. How say u?

[Minnesota Twins]

I will let Pitt make ruling but I think I was too restrictive and you could trade 20 mil for 1 St overall pick or prospect

[Minnesota Twins]

Here is a trade where it was hashed out

doincashmansjob.proboards.com/thread/9800/la-phil

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Nov 9, 2018 3:09:31 GMT -5 Minnesota Twins said:

I will let Pitt make ruling but I think I was too restrictive and you could trade 20 mil for 1 St overall pick or prospect

Agreed with Minny. Applies only to salaried players. Buy and sell picks & players. Will wait to hear Pitts side.

[Deleted]

A few older posts with comments on this subject.

doincashmansjob.proboards.com/thread/9055/new-rule

doincashmansjob.proboards.com/thread/9804/pre-allstar-trade-rule

I think we are still dancing around the problem of a hard salary cap. We create all these little rules to fix a situation and all it does is raise questions? What are we, a fantasy baseball league or college football bowl system??

I still propose a $90 million cap (off season) $120 million (in season). This would eliminate a bunch of questions and crazy trades.

[ex-Pittsburgh Pirates]

I agree with Phillies that it is getting too complicated. It's easier to do my tax return than figure out if I can make a trade.

Most people here are smarter than I am so I'm relying on someone out there to figure it out. Our rule changes are based on trying to uphold or enforce certain principles that I think make for a better league. The 'you can only trade half salary before all star game' rule was intended to address the growing situation where teams would bid up free agent stars for the sole purpose of trading them and eating the salary. There are several problems with this.. it is anti-competitive, it is a form of tanking, it encourages collusion, it creates a situation where there are only 2 maybe 3 teams going into the season that are trying to win.

Did the rule change fix all of that? Is there a better way to fix it? I don't know the answers. That's what we all have to kind of decide together.

In the case of selling draft picks, I don't like it because it allows you to get around the 'half-salary' rule. But really, it's not one of those things where I would say it has to be forbidden or the league will fall apart. If most of the league wants to sell picks/prospects, then I guess that's fine unless anyone has a severe objection. If it gets abused as a way to get around the 'half-salary' rule, then we'll have to re-examine.

[Deleted]

No one is using the free agent system to their personal/team benefit but I like that the temptation is out.

What's wrong with my idea? It's simple. Trade for whomever or whatever you want. Just stay under the set threshold. You get to increase you cap space by 1/3 in season.

[ex-Pittsburgh Pirates]

I can't think of anything wrong with it. The proposal has been out there. I don't remember the objections. I'm tentatively ok with it if it means we can reduce some complexity.

[Minnesota Twins]

1. I am strongly opposed to hard cap becuae either limits trading. Between those opposed to hard cap and the don't change anything caucus I think this proposal is a no go.

2. This is not the place to debate failed proposals, we have a rules proposal board for that.

[Admin]

Moved this post from "League Rules" as it is a jibba jabba post and not official rules posting

[Minnesota Twins]

The first post is the rule posting!

[Admin]

Sorry Minn....I fixed it, thx for heads up

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1. Of course your opposed. Not sure how it limits trades? Be more creative. I don't think we need to see teams with a $160 million dollar payroll just because teams can get out of a deal by paying salary. The $90 million dollar salary cap means nothing (as we've all agreed previously). It's more like startup money, kind of like monopoly. Here is a thread when rules work.

doincashmansjob.proboards.com/thread/10255/salary-before-star-break-tanking

2. I didn't propose a rule. It's more just a thought. I threw my thought on the active thread. Nothing wrong with that. I've been here & active long enough I don't need to be told where to post my threads.

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I am fine with the rule. The cash is a tradeable asset just like players, prospects,or picks. Look at MLB with their international pool money.

[torontobluejays]

I'd prefer a hard cap, with no trade restrictions. I don't think it would cause any problems for trading. It would most likely cause teams to rethink spending $30m on one player.

Otherwise, we should just return to the original system. Trade whoever for whoever for whatever.