Proposal

[Deleted]

Can we add quality starts as a category?

It reflects the best starts of a pitcher that he has been having during the season. Most of starts that are considered quality starts means he has given his team a good chance to win. It’s a good category and a good barometer for consistency with a starting pitcher. A quality start which most of you probably know is 6ip and 3 er or less.

Thoughts?

[Minnesota Twins]

You are proposing replacing wins with quality start?

[Texas Rangers]

Yeah it almost has to replace wins since it ruins the hitting vs pitching balance if we dont.

I've never felt super strong about either stat as truth is they are both flawed. As we all know a guy can pitch 8 innings, give up 2 runs and take the L. On the flip side a guy can throw 5 shutout innings and not get the QS.

Personally I've always liked W's a little more just because it brings a slight extra value to those high leverage non closer relievers. How important is that? Not much, but as mentioned I dont feel super strong either way on W/QS so my mind could be changed with a solid argument.

[Deleted]

I’d like to add quality starts without replacing wins .

Let’s keep both.

In today’s mlb both are equally as valuable

[Detroit]

If we were to add a stat category, we would have to add a second category to balance hitting/pitching.

This would have to be put to a league wide vote.

[torontobluejays]

I would oppose making Quality Starts as a new statistic. It is just another measure of ERA. Pitching 6 innings and giving up 3 or fewer earned runs. This is the formula for determining. ERA. By the way, 3 ER over 6 innings is a 4.50 ERA. I don’t think that is quality. Since we already use ERA, I don’t see a reason to duplicate the stat.

[Detroit]

I agree with you Toronto. Good point.

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Im with Toronto. Great point.

[Deleted]

Pitching six innings and giving up three are in today’s game is quality pitching. I am in favor of adding quality starts at category to this league. I have it as a category in every other league that I play in. I don’t want it to replace wins, but to be in addition. I agree with the commish, that something else will need to be added it in place of it for hitting. That could be OPS, or slugging percentage, but quality starts is a great measure of how well a pitcher pitches start to start. Wins don’t always dictate that as we have seen with guys like degrom.

[torontobluejays]

Quality Starts is only a measure of ERA, not quality. A starter qualifies for a QS if can go 6 innings and give up three earned runs, but give up 6 total runs, give up 10 hits, walk 5 and two strike outs. that is not quality in my eyes. A starter could go 8 innings and give up 4 earned runs, no unearned runs, 5 hits, 2 walks and strike out 10 and not qualify for a Quality Start. The second pitcher ends with the same 4.5 ERA, out pitches the first pitcher, but does not get the QS. QS is not a good measure of a pitcher.

[Texas Rangers]

Can't say I really feel strong either way on this. I don't have a major issue with adding QS, but dont really see the need to have it in addition to wins. Both are flawed stats. A SP can go 8 innings of 2 run ball and not get a W. On the other hand a player can pitch 5 shutout innings and exit the game and not get a QS.

They are stats that by the end of the season tend to give a decent picture of a pitchers performance when both are used. With that said though I would feel better about replacing a flawed stat with a flawed stat instead of having two of them. I think QS is probably a better indicator than Ws, however I also like the slight value added to high leverage relievers who can rack up both Holds and Wins in this league while getting good ERA & K numbers.

If you add QS then add a more reliable stat like SLG% to hitting categories I think it may just inflate the value of hitters to be honest. QS is another stat along with Ws and Ks that you can throw quantity at and roll the dice on the law of averages working out for ERA & WHIP.

Not sure exactly what my point was....My post started out with one and ended up really just becoming a collection of random thoughts on the subject, and I'll just roll with that.

[Deleted]

I'm fine leaving things the way they are. Just some ideas.