Future Rule Proposal

[Admin]

Recently we had a strictly Cash-for-cash trade, which has been approved since no rule prohibits it.

Proposing a new rule to take effect AFTER the 2020 Free Agent Auction Bidding, where teams are no longer allowed to trade strictly 'any year cash' for 'any year cash'. Let's keep it simple.

My vote will be to prohibit cash-for-cash trading, as it puts teams in a position of having to question other team's motives. And that is never a good place to reside for the league's health.

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If this is voted in, I will add into our League Charter and Rules section.

Thanks, everybody.

[Baltimore Orioles]

Would this thread be the appropriate place to discuss this type of stuff?

[New York Yankees]

Sure, seems like as a good a place as any...lol. I know I’m the cause of the uproar, even if it was unintentional. Seems like my “creative” efforts r causing trouble, which really isn’t my intent. I really enjoy this league n hate that I seem to cause so much trouble with my trades. Funny thing is, I was ok either way. I looked at it as utilizing my leftover cash for a future time, but in reality w the change in cap rules, I won’t even get full bang in 2022. Had this not been allowed, it may have even been more beneficial to me to keep the cash n use it to acquire expensive contracts. My point is, it wasn’t a big deal to me, but I didn’t break any written rules, so I wasn’t expecting the backlash. However, imo this was definitely handled better this time by addressing the situation n not my team directly. In no way this time, did I feel it was a personal attack, seemed more like let’s protect the integrity of the league! I’m fine with any decision n will follow any rules put into place, even tho I’m not a big fan of restrictions...lol!

[Detroit]

I agree that this was handled well by the league as a whole. My compliments to everyone involved, as I have watched from a silent distance.

I'm actually ok with straight cash for cash trading. With a "hard" cap in place, any team cannot go above that number in salary obtained, and making the best use of your cash is kinda the point of this league.

NYY, I enjoy having you here. You are creative and competitive, and you keep pushing me to be smarter and work harder. I enjoy the competition.

[Texas Rangers]

I'm not a huge fan of the future cash trading. No issues with the teams involved doing it, they're just trying to make good decisions for their teams.

My concern is trading cash for cash only drives up the price of free agents, both now and in the future. I think we do have an issue with over inflated contracts and a ton of 1 year deals as a consequence.

I'll be interested to see how my opinion of this changes as I actually get a full year under my belt in the league. I just see rebuilding teams doing more tanking than rebuilding. Buying future cash, then eating all their 1 year contracts mid year for prospects.

I'm getting off topic and into a different discussion now, but I think you get the point.

[ex-Pittsburgh Pirates]

I would be in favor of banning current year cash trades during free agency. Not just cash for cash, but any trade that includes current year cash.

Let's say the Expos and Senators are stacking up as the 2 strongest teams. They are in a bidding war for Mike Trout. It would be rather unseemly for the Expos to trade a future pick for cash to win the auction. I didn't say unethical or illegal...just seems a bit slimy.

[ex-Pittsburgh Pirates]

Jan 14, 2020 14:06:46 GMT -5 ex-Pittsburgh Pirates said:

I would be in favor of banning current year cash trades during free agency. Not just cash for cash, but any trade that includes current year cash.

Let's say the Expos and Senators are stacking up as the 2 strongest teams. They are in a bidding war for Mike Trout. It would be rather unseemly for the Expos to trade a future pick for cash to win the auction. I didn't say unethical or illegal...just seems a bit slimy.

That said, we have too many rules already. I want to make things simpler, not more complicated.

[Texas Rangers]

Jan 14, 2020 14:07:17 GMT -5 ex-Pittsburgh Pirates said:

Jan 14, 2020 14:06:46 GMT -5 ex-Pittsburgh Pirates said:

I would be in favor of banning current year cash trades during free agency. Not just cash for cash, but any trade that includes current year cash.

Let's say the Expos and Senators are stacking up as the 2 strongest teams. They are in a bidding war for Mike Trout. It would be rather unseemly for the Expos to trade a future pick for cash to win the auction. I didn't say unethical or illegal...just seems a bit slimy.

That said, we have too many rules already. I want to make things simpler, not more complicated.

Just saying that cash trades during the FA period are not allowed isn't all that complicated though, and is really a fair middle ground.  

I was in talks with a couple of owners about Trout deals where I kicked in a significant amount of money, and even that felt a little slimy to me. I grabbed him because A) I had the cap space B) I had the need for a top bat, but also C) I knew i had a chance to  leverage teams with lower cap numbers for future assets that would be hard to find elsewhere.   I don't believe any cash move i would have made would have been illegal as it was no more than half his salary, but i think it does take away from the integrity of the FA period.  

[ex-Pittsburgh Pirates]

I wish the league required more "baseball" skill and less "accounting" skill.

[Minnesota Twins]

In the olden days there was always plenty of complaining about people giving away money, but it centered around c'mon guys quit giving Pitt (or whoever) cash in deals. Don't make bad trades instead of we need to modify the rules to make it so bad trades don't happen... My general philosophy is more trades, less rules so you prob guessed I am a no on denying cash in trades

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With seven no's, this is dead proposal. Thanks everybody for the check-in.

[ex-Pittsburgh Pirates]

Jan 14, 2020 22:24:02 GMT -5 Minnesota Twins said:

In the olden days there was always plenty of complaining about people giving away money, but it centered around c'mon guys quit giving Pitt (or whoever) cash in deals. Don't make bad trades instead of we need to modify the rules to make it so bad trades don't happen... My general philosophy is more trades, less rules so you prob guessed I am a no on denying cash in trades

Yeah, the old grousing was basically old chicago complaining about people trading me huge amounts of cash. Those huge amounts of cash were usually a couple of million dollars that were used to offset the salary of an acquired player. There was a time or 2 when non-salary cash was traded, but the amounts were nothing like what we see today. Chicago had a fit one year when I had $119m in salary on my roster. But that was only towards the end of the season when I acquired some big salary players for the final push.